only 53% of Hillary supporters will vote for Obama

The AP-Yahoo News poll, conducted by Knowledge Networks, is part of an ongoing study that tracks the attitudes and opinions of a scientifically selected group of more than 2,000 Americans to see how their political views evolve over the course of the campaign.
Yahoo poll found that 53 percent of the Democrats who favored Clinton for the nomination two months ago now back Obama for president:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080626/ap_on_el_pr/ap_yahoo_poll_clinton_voters_1

Twenty-three percent of Clinton's backers picked Republican John McCain over Obama.
Of the rest, 16 percent were undecided, 5 percent were for independent candidate Ralph Nader and 3 percent said someone else.
The AP-Yahoo News survey of 1,759 adults had an overall margin of sampling error of plus or minus 2.3 percentage points.

(note from the diarist: many estimate that McCain needs just 10% of Clinton supporters to win in November)

Question for kids: If Obama can get only 53% from Clinton supporters (core of democratic party), how much he can get during general election: more a less? Don't rush with answer, try to think...

Display:


Wheres the problem? (1.33 / 9)

good, the remainder of the Dixiecrats will be gone from the party, how is this a bad thing?


"Is there no keeping with class in whom we mingle with anymore?"
by Brandon on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:33:16 PM EST

Brandon, thats a silly thing to say - - (2.00 / 4)

NEVER turn down a vote.  Never.
Remember - It's a political party, you don't get to pick and choose the members.
John McCain says he would stay in Iraq for 100 years? That's crazy talk!
by kosnomore on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:05:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Brandon, thats a silly thing to say - - (2.00 / 1)

I wouldn't welcome David Duke, or Pat Buchanan for that matter.
by parahammer on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 06:14:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Really? (none / 0)

If the result was 50/50, even/steven, you wouldn't take Buchanan's vote?  NOT his advice, his vote?  Again, that's silly.  Never be too pure to win.


John McCain says he would stay in Iraq for 100 years? That's crazy talk!
by kosnomore on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 09:41:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Brandon, thats a silly thing to say - - (2.00 / 1)

Who's turning down a vote? They're turning themselves down. You can be part of the process of making history with the first black President, or not. You can be part of the process of ousting a third Bush term, or not. You can choose to HELP this country, or not.

On principle I'd rather have fellow Democrats who identify with the party due to a commitment to the country, not to an individual.


Gobama!
by USArmyParatrooper on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 08:26:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Brandon, thats a silly thing to say - - (2.00 / 1)

On principle I'd rather have fellow Democrats who identify with the party due to a commitment to the country, not to an individual.

Ditto that!!!!


by Swedie on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 08:37:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Wheres the problem? (2.00 / 1)

I kind of agree.  Did you read the voter interviews?

Also, what's up with Jeter and the TR abuse?


by MeganLocke on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 07:44:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Real convincing argument: (2.00 / 1)

Vote for Obama or you are a racist.

Try that out in swing states like North Carolina and Virginia (which Obama has put in play for the first time in years) and see what happens.


Linfar's co-blogger opposing John McCain
by psychodrew on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 08:35:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Real convincing argument: (2.00 / 0)

Who ever said vote for Obama or you're a racist? Certainly (some) people won't vote for him for that reason, just like (some) people would never vote for Clinton because she's female.

Stop twisting words around.


Gobama!
by USArmyParatrooper on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 08:59:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'm not twisting anything. (2.00 / 1)

He called the Democrats who aren't voting for Obama "Dixiecrats".


Linfar's co-blogger opposing John McCain
by psychodrew on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 09:28:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm not twisting anything. (2.00 / 0)

I called THOSE voters who said they won't vote for him because "he's Arab" or think he's a terrorist Dixiecrats.


Gobama!
by USArmyParatrooper on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 09:34:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm not twisting anything. (2.00 / 0)

Seriously, you need to read the interviews.  They're horrifying.

Jesus Christ, this is going on month five where "vote for Obama or you're a racist" is a shield that real live racists are hiding behind.

Read the interviews.


by MeganLocke on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 12:51:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Real convincing argument: (none / 0)

Exactly.  It's fascinating to see that a month after the race has ended, the level of non-support we're seeing for Obama is still at Indiana/North Carolina levels (approx. 50%).

A few weeks ago, I thought I too would "come home" but with every passing day, my resolve simply hardens.  I think what we're seeing in most polls now is Obama at his ceiling.  I'm not sure how selling out his base helps either (public financing, FISA, gun control, death penalty).  


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 09:30:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Trolling for dollars (2.00 / 5)

Actually not. The United States has a population of 300 MILLION. Less then 20% of the population voted in the primaries. That's why Obama is launching a massive voter registration drive.


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Hillary's husband
by venician on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:34:59 PM EST

Re: Trolling for dollars (2.00 / 3)

of course, 1/4 of that figure isn't even eligible to vote because they are underage;


by alyssa chaos on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:49:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Trolling for dollars (none / 0)

Link? 1/4, 25% are underage? hmmmm


by califdem on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 08:45:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Trolling for dollars (2.00 / 1)

Children (people under age 18) made up one-fourth of the population (24.6%), and people over age 65 one-eighth (12.4%) in 2006.

link


by alyssa chaos on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 09:06:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

the truth (1.46 / 15)

"She said she doesn't like Obama's name and thinks he has a questionable background. She also said she thought Obama was deceitful when he broke from his church after it hurt his campaign, and she doesn't trust him to handle the Iraq war.

"It sounds to me like a Middle Eastern type of name and whether or not he's born here in the United States, he doesn't seem like, to me, somebody who is trustworthy," Hartle said in a telephone interview. "You can't trust anybody these days, so who's to say he's not a terrorist and we just don't realize it yet?"

These are teh Clinton supporters. good riddance.


"Is there no keeping with class in whom we mingle with anymore?"
by Brandon on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:35:30 PM EST

Re: the truth (2.00 / 3)

I don't think this is the typical Clinton supporter.  And these types of voters would never have voted for him anyway.  These types are low-info voters who may have voted for Hillary because she's a woman, not because they agree with her policies.  I don't think that's the average Clinton supporter.


by ProgressiveDL on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:39:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

These are not LOW INFO voters (1.75 / 4)

More like "low intelligence"


by highgrade on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:41:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It's true (1.66 / 3)

A significant number of these Clinton dead-enders are really just plain old racists. I echo your "good riddance."


by Angry White Democrat on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:59:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: the truth (none / 0)

Ha!

Must be weighted toward West Virginia.


by Bush Bites on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 08:39:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

That's one Clinton supporter. (none / 0)

Do you assume that all Clinton supporters are exactly alike or share all of the same opinions?


by georgiapeach on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 12:25:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]

lol another gem from the racists (1.81 / 11)

When asked an open-ended question about the first words that come to mind about Obama, some former Clinton supporters used words like Muslim or terrorist. Those misconceptions have been fueled by Internet rumors that point out his name is Barack Hussein Obama but otherwise lie about his background.

"I refuse to vote for an Arab to be in my White House," said retired salesman Dean Johnson of Lanett, Ala. "That is the only factor. Otherwise, you couldn't break both my legs and make me vote for a Republican."

good riddance


"Is there no keeping with class in whom we mingle with anymore?"
by Brandon on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:37:49 PM EST

Re: lol another gem from the racists (2.00 / 2)

Jeter:  what's with the zero here?


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 06:59:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: lol another gem from the racists (none / 0)

and who you are implying here? some voters in LA, GA, AL, NC and the like?


Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 07:53:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: lol another gem from the racists (2.00 / 1)

Heh.  Having trouble following the thread?  I haven't implied anything, simply uprated to counter some TR abuse.

You've replied to the wrong post.


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 08:14:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: only 53% of Hillary supporters will vote for (2.00 / 3)

"I refuse to vote for an Arab to be in my White House," said retired salesman Dean Johnson of Lanett, Ala. "That is the only factor. Otherwise, you couldn't break both my legs and make me vote for a Republican."


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:38:09 PM EST

Re: only 53% of Hillary supporters will vote for (1.91 / 12)

Engels is baaaaaaaaaaaack!

Post tip jar please si I can mojo.

Shame rec!


We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin
by spacemanspiff on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:38:57 PM EST

Re: only 53% of Hillary supporters will vote for (1.60 / 5)

i am not back, just reminding you about what to expect in November


Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:46:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: only 53% of Hillary supporters will vote for (1.85 / 7)

But what about the strike? You are not on strike anymore?

We really need your insight and humor around here. :o)


We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin
by spacemanspiff on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:53:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: only 53% of Hillary supporters will vote for (2.00 / 4)

What you expect in November.

Significant difference.


by Neef on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:54:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: only 53% of Hillary supporters will vote for (1.00 / 2)

I expect Obama will lose in landslide.


Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 08:33:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: only 53% of Hillary supporters will vote for (2.00 / 12)

ENGLES, THANK YOU FOR POSTING YOUR DIARY!!! THESE OBAMABOTS ARE SO DUMB AND CONCIETED THINKING THAT ALL HILARY'S VOTER'S ARE VOTING FOR HIM!!!! HE IS PROBABLY REALY DESPARATE TO GET OUR VOTES BECAUSE HE KNOWS HES GOING TO LOOSE TO MCCAIN!!!!!!!


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:09:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: only 53% of Hillary supporters will vote for (1.00 / 5)

yes he knows, but nothing he or even Hillary can do about it


Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:36:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: only 53% of Hillary supporters will vote for (2.00 / 8)

An Oscar worthy performance, Johnny.  He bought it.

Make sure you practice your speech.  "I'd like to thank the Academy..."


John McCain: Healthcare for Kids? In America? No way
by bosdcla14 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:40:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: only 53% of Hillary supporters will vote for (none / 0)

Is this snark?


by TL on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 08:13:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: only 53% of Hillary supporters will vote for (none / 0)

Wow!

Is that a snark or do you really spell like that?


by Bush Bites on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 08:51:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: only 53% of Hillary supporters will vote for (2.00 / 8)

"Dont call it a comeback
I been here for years
Rockin my peers and puttin suckas in fear
Makin the tears rain down like a mon soon
Listen to the bass go boom
Explosion overpowerin
Over the competition Im towerin
Wreckin shop when I drop these lyrics thatll make you call the cops
Dont you dare stare, you betta move
Dont ever compare
Me to the rest thatll all get sliced and diced
Competitions payin the price"

- LL Cool J, Mama Said Knock You Out


by NewOaklandDem on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:16:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

And another (2.00 / 4)

Shame rec from me!


ооо
by Mumphrey on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:33:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Awsome (2.00 / 7)

This is fantastic.  I take a week off, and my favorite PUMA Engels comes with the comedy.  Thanks, I needed that.

Many estimate = some argue = unsubstantiated BS.  

And, as always, thanks for your concern!


by NewOaklandDem on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:40:54 PM EST

Re: Awsome (2.00 / 5)

The diarist also took the contents out of context. Which is 18% more than were confirmed just 2 weeks ago, failed to mention that? All the undecideds based on this poll that made a decision decided on him, as well as 1% of the McCain, based on the numbers. Nice try you intellectually dishonest hack diarist!


by Dog Chains on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:43:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Awsome (2.00 / 5)

Shhh!

The Engels is in his/her special place.  Reality may cause terrible shock to the system.


by candidate D on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:38:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Fantastic news! Cutting the dead weight continues (2.00 / 8)

Yeah, I agree with the other posters, and it's just terrific an "Obama Brother in Arms" like Engels is spreading the joyous news.

Glad these idiots are gone, they are natural born Republics anyway.

Culling the heard of these bitter dead-enders, loosers and PUMAS is Gods work IMO!

Thanks for bringing us this great info, Engels!


"Either you're the butcher Or the lamb but even so, Everybody pays as they go-Jakob Dylan"
by WashStateBlue on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:43:17 PM EST

He could not have known. (1.75 / 8)

I wonder if he even read this and saw the arsenal it supplies.  It is remarkable.


"Is there no keeping with class in whom we mingle with anymore?"
by Brandon on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:45:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: He could not have known. (2.00 / 2)

More TR abuse.  Jeter, what gives?

Uprated.


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 07:04:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: only 53% of Hillary supporters will vote for (2.00 / 15)

many estimate that McCain needs just 10% of Clinton supporters to win in November

Several postulate that McCain needs just three of the rings of power to take control of the moon. Several.


The primaries are over!
Focus on McCain
by really not a troll on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:45:18 PM EST

Re: only 53% of Hillary supporters will vote for (2.00 / 5)

So shiny......


"Either you're the butcher Or the lamb but even so, Everybody pays as they go-Jakob Dylan"
by WashStateBlue on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:47:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: only 53% of Hillary supporters will vote for (2.00 / 8)

The rings of power thing is a fact.  That's not open to interpretation.


by HSTruman on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:47:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

89% of Nazgul are McCain supporters (2.00 / 11)

The Wytch-King isn't sure if Obama is, in fact, a mortal man or not, and is undecided.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:05:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 89% of Nazgul are McCain supporters (2.00 / 4)

Well played.


by HSTruman on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:15:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Thanks (2.00 / 1)

I tried.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:45:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

That was (none / 0)


Precious.
Donate!
by chrisblask on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 08:29:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I doubt that AP poll is correct (2.00 / 6)

The vast majority of the polls lately shows that the Dems are uniting.


by puma on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:45:31 PM EST

Re: I doubt that AP poll is correct (none / 0)

like somebody said here - seacrh for UMA in comments for this diary


Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 07:55:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: only 53% of Hillary supporters will vote for (none / 0)

Give em time.


by NY Writer on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:46:25 PM EST

Re: only 53% of Hillary supporters will vote (2.00 / 2)

These were repubs posing as democrats voting for Hillary to try to knock Obama out.  These voters never planned to vote for Hillary in the GE.


by Spanky on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:47:42 PM EST

Re: only 53% of Hillary supporters will vote for (2.00 / 3)

23% of Clinton's backers amounts to approx. 5% of the electorate.  Kerry lost approx. 12% of Dems to Bush in 2004.  This is old wine in a new bottle.  Current polls take all of this into account (and what they show, btw, is that McCain's problem holding onto Republicans is just as large as Obama's problems holding onto Dems).


by IncognitoErgoSum on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:50:08 PM EST

Your concerns are noted (2.00 / 2)

We thank you for this data.


by libertyleft on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:51:50 PM EST

Re: only 53% of Hillary supporters will vote for (2.00 / 7)

you is a gem, engels. a gem.


by alyssa chaos on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:52:36 PM EST

Re: only 53% of Hillary supporters will vote for (2.00 / 8)

Engels, you have filled the void left by luminaries such as Fleaflicker and Michael Begala.


by rfahey22 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:55:53 PM EST

Re: only 53% of Hillary supporters will vote for (2.00 / 1)

And he may well be one of those losers.


by ReillyDiefenbach on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:09:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I vote that engels is (2.00 / 1)

Doughy Pantloads.

Let's find out: engels, is the DNC a fascist organization?


by Poor Yorick on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 06:06:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I vote that engels is (2.00 / 1)

Doughy Pantloads

OMG!  I can barely see through my tears to type this!  god, stop the insanity!  I think my colon just tied itself in a knot - ow ow ow!!!


Donate!
by chrisblask on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 08:14:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It just makes perfect sense. (2.00 / 1)

I won't even go into the litany of reasons...


by Poor Yorick on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 09:32:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: only 53% of Hillary supporters will vote for (2.00 / 5)

I actually like him a lot better than them---they're frustrating at times, he's hilarious.  

I'm having to fight the urge to uprate his comments because I enjoy them so much.  


John McCain: Healthcare for Kids? In America? No way
by bosdcla14 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:26:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: only 53% of Hillary supporters will vote for (2.00 / 3)

I know what you mean, there's something about The engels that just brightens my day!


by candidate D on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:48:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hey ease up on Ol' Engels? (2.00 / 6)

After all, he is an avoid socialist backing McCain?

That's kind of like being a Nirvana fan, and deciding you're only going to listen to Shania Twain Cd's from here on out.

He's a trooper, I admire his grit!


"Either you're the butcher Or the lamb but even so, Everybody pays as they go-Jakob Dylan"
by WashStateBlue on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:56:23 PM EST

Excellent finds, engels! (2.00 / 6)

The poll suggests time is beginning to heal some rifts from the primary campaign and that the New York senator's endorsement of Obama carried weight

The poll found 53 percent of the Democrats who favored Clinton for the nomination two months ago now back Obama for president. That's an improvement from April, when only 40 percent of Clinton supporters said they would back Obama over McCain.

"It wasn't a difficult decision � I was a lifelong Democrat," said 55-year-old Susan Gates of Massachusetts, a former Clinton backer now firmly in Obama's camp.

Gregory Scheetz, 56, of Barstow, Calif., said he wanted Clinton to win because of her experience, her intelligence and because it's time to have a woman in the White House. But he said he moved to Obama after Clinton endorsed him on June 7, even though he's a registered Republican.

"I feel that he can bring change," he said. "There's people in our country that I see need help."


by Neef on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:58:43 PM EST

Re: only 53% of Hillary supporters (2.00 / 5)

Why is this racist, deadender, antiDemocrat MORAN allowed back on here?  Where are the bouncers?!


by rf7777 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:01:20 PM EST

Re: only 53% of Hillary supporters (2.00 / 8)

"Why is this racist, deadender, antiDemocrat MORAN allowed back on here?"

Maybe he's just starved for attention?

Over at NoQuarter, he just blends in with all the other "racist, deadender, antiDemocrat MORANs!"

Over here, we think he's kinda special!


"Either you're the butcher Or the lamb but even so, Everybody pays as they go-Jakob Dylan"
by WashStateBlue on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:09:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: only 53% of Hillary supporters (2.00 / 7)

Engels is kinda like a pet, I guess.  Mostly harmless, and good for a laugh or too.  But don't get your fingers too close to the cage, or it'll bite!


by NewOaklandDem on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:13:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: only 53% (none / 0)

blah.....sorry just one


by citizendave on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:02:55 PM EST

Only 53%!!!??? (2.00 / 10)

OMGZ!!!1!!!1!!!
OMGZ!!!1!!!1!!!
OMGZ!!!1!!!1!!!

Thank God you told us about this!


Grumpy, reluctant, sore-losing, unhappy, irritable Hillary supporter for Barack Obama 2008
by DemAC on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:06:01 PM EST

Re: Only 53%!!!??? (2.00 / 5)

that guinea pig pic is badass-


by alyssa chaos on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:11:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

yes. (2.00 / 7)

THIS IS GREAT NEWS FOR HILLARY CLINTON!


by Lance Bryce on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:14:16 PM EST

Love you, Engels! Go get 'em! (2.00 / 9)

Today's projections, for anyone who's paying attention:

From Five Thirty Eight:

From electoral-vote.com:
Obama 317   McCain 194   Ties 27

From Real Clear Politics:
Obama: 317
McCain: 221


by spunkmeyer on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:21:48 PM EST

Re: Love you, Engels! Go get 'em! (2.00 / 4)

And that's with the current situation, before Hillary begins active campaigning among Democrats for Obama.  Good stuff.


John McCain: Healthcare for Kids? In America? No way
by bosdcla14 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:25:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Don't you dare try and drag facts into this. (2.00 / 3)


by semiquaver on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:27:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Love you, Engels! Go get 'em! (1.16 / 6)

take a look on left upper corner of mydd homepage:
it is already down to 297-240. And we are still in June...
Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:42:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

LOL! (2.00 / 3)

Tell ya what Engels.  Why don't I just post a number here.  You bookmark it, and whenever you want to argue tha Obama's losing, you just link back to it.  

Here ya go!

CURRENT 2008 ELECTORAL VOTE PROJECTION
as of whenever you're looking at it

John McCain: 342
Barack Obama: 196

Projection: McCain winzzzz!  w00t!


by spunkmeyer on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:50:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

C'mon guys - don't HR Engels! (2.00 / 4)

He's too much fun.  TR away, but if you hide him, none of us get to bask in his awesomeness!


by spunkmeyer on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:51:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Dude (2.00 / 2)

Really?

We don't yet have a convention bounce. Obama is trending up. Clinton is JUST getting into the fight, and we have a 57 EV lead on the worst major electoral map

You can seriously be concerned at that? The current situation is certainly not going to worry any O supporter, and it's just making you look like some sort of political illiterate.

You do need a better hook, if these diaries aren't going to dissolve into ribald hilarity and back-slapping.


by Neef on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 06:25:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Love you, Engels! Go get 'em! (2.00 / 1)

LOL LOL

"The LOWEST POSSIBLE ELECTORAL COUNT I can find online only gives Obama 57 more electoral votes than McCain!!!  The sky is falling!!"

You can't be serious about that.

Oh, and just for the record, Obama can get 271 electoral votes and McCain can take 267 and Obama will STILL win the presidency.


by Raumfahrer on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 07:42:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Love you, Engels! Go get 'em! (none / 0)

just wait a few


Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 07:57:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Love you, Engels! Go get 'em! (2.00 / 1)

I just had to mentally relive arguing with a NAMBLA troll.

Thanks, engless, for keeping it fun!  I just wnat to dunk you in my coffee!

You crazy little Socialist, you. ;-)


Donate!
by chrisblask on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 08:03:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Love you, Engels! Go get 'em! (2.00 / 1)

who said I am little?


Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 09:03:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Love you, Engels! Go get 'em! (none / 0)

You could be Shaq and I'd still want to dunk you in my coffee.

Get a copy of "Madagascar".  Might lighten you up a little.

:-)

-chris


Donate!
by chrisblask on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 09:39:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

That's what I get for replying from Comments (none / 0)

I missed the joke!

OK, "Crazy Socialist".

I knew you had a sense of humor in there somewhere.

Mojoed!

-chris


Donate!
by chrisblask on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 09:41:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

We're waiting engels (none / 0)

we've been waiting for your theories. Most Clinton supporters won't vote for Obama? Well, now, most of them will.

Feel free to leave at anytime.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 12:03:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: We're waiting engels (none / 0)

how about you first?


Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 06:56:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Obama knows something you don't, he's behind. (1.00 / 1)

Obama is very nervous about the slow pace of Hillary supporters jumping on his bandwagon. He said so in his meating with the black caucus.

There won't  be a landslide without the list of others you list. You are dreaming and you act like the electoral college on this site is carved in stone. It's a FAIRYTALE.

Even if Obama had a 17 point lead, which he doesn't, he could lose it in two seconds. Obama will be attacked and his negatives will go up. You could set you watch to it. His current polls are not that high and they are inflated by 3-9 points because a small percentage of people are lying to the polsters.

Dukakis lost an 18 point lead and lost in a landslide.

Wait until Obama makes his VP selection known before you pop the cork on the champaign. Considering he just locked up the nomination and the Republicans are almost through as a party, I'm not too impressed with Obama's numbers.


by mmorang on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 08:30:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama knows something you don't, he's behind. (none / 0)

I meant meeting, not meating.


by mmorang on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 08:31:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Love you, Engels! Go get 'em! (2.00 / 1)

Damn it man, you've left The engles' vote in those graphs!

Now go redo the whole thing & remove The engels from the data.  You'd better make it two votes just in case The engels has a friend.


by candidate D on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:53:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Love you, Engels! Go get 'em! (none / 0)

OMG! Their projection of the popular vote split is still only 5.8%! That's what it was yesterday. OMG, the sky is falling!!!!!!!!!!!!


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 09:06:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: only 53% of Hillary supporters will vote for (2.00 / 6)

I think engles inadvertently stumbled upon a great idea.  The name PUMA is a bit cheesy, and all the ads I've seen use a video from the 1970's of a puma snarling.  His "unite my ass" comment spurred a moment of genius.  I present to you:

UMA: Unite My Ass

Instead of having to resort to old nature videos for your advertisements, you could use Uma Thurman as a mascot.  You'd have plenty of source material, from Pulp Fiction to My Super Ex-Girlfriend to The Truth About Cats & Dogs.  It's a veritable goldmine!

[*] If any profit is to be had in this venture, I want 5%.


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:22:41 PM EST

Re: only 53% of Hillary supporters will vote for (2.00 / 2)

Can I get a picture of Uma Thurman wearing an

UMA=Unite My Ass

T-shirt?

Oh, and, dont forget "Kill Bill" in your list of Uma hits!


"Either you're the butcher Or the lamb but even so, Everybody pays as they go-Jakob Dylan"
by WashStateBlue on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:33:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Can I haz some mojos? (1.25 / 4)

Pleze put them in here. Tankz You. I needs it.


Barack Obama is my President
by Jeter on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:32:22 PM EST

Re: Can I haz some mojos? (1.33 / 3)

Yesssssssss!


Barack Obama is my President
by Jeter on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 07:14:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

odd.. (2.00 / 2)

Let's play math-

The average of the RAM polls of late show 81% of Democrats supporting Obama (better than Kerry at this time).

However- if 47% of Clinton supporters support Obama... and Clinton got about 45% of the Democrats during the primary...

Then doesn't that mean that about 30% of Clinton's supporters in the Democratic primary WEREN'T Democrats?


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.
by ihaveseenenough on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:35:27 PM EST

Actually, no. (none / 0)

Clinton received about 50% of the Dem vote. About half of them supports Obama, that's about 25% of the Dem vote. So, you add 25% of the Dem vote to 50% that Obama got and you have 75% of the Dem's supporting Obama. Add to that Republicans and Independents and you get to your 82% figure.


by mmorang on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 08:15:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Actually, no. (none / 0)

How are Republicans and Independents included in the Democratic vote?


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 11:58:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Actually, no. (none / 0)

If they voted in the Democratic primary (by switching registration, open primaries, or any such method) they're included.


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.
by ihaveseenenough on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 12:26:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Actually, no. (none / 0)

If they voted in the Democratic primary (by switching registration, open primaries, or any such method) they're included.


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.
by ihaveseenenough on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 12:26:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Actually, no. (2.00 / 0)

No- the polls say 82% of DEMS support Obama.


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.
by ihaveseenenough on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 12:28:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Thank you (2.00 / 3)

Seriously, thank you for bringing this to our attention. Now we are scared shitless and we're so sorry we doubted you guys. We wish we'd supported Hillary instead of Obama.

Does that do it for you? Now maybe you can just go back and continue plotting against him without letting us know?


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 06:00:05 PM EST

53% of Hillary supporters will vote for Obama (2.00 / 2)

In two months, support for Obama from Hillary supporters rose 13% from 40% to 53%.

There engels, I fixed it for you.


by skohayes on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 06:33:09 PM EST

Thanks for the insightful (dis)information! (2.00 / 2)


Two riders were approaching......the wind begins to howl!
by John in Chicago on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 07:01:06 PM EST

Re: Thanks for the insightful (dis)information! (1.00 / 1)

Man has a lot of dandruff


by mmorang on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 08:06:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

If only 23% of Clinton supporters (2.00 / 0)

vote for McCain, that's about 11% of Democrats.

I'll take that.


by Geekesque on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 08:10:44 PM EST

Re: If only 23% of Clinton supporters (2.00 / 0)

That's about 11% of Democrats who voted in the primaries. That's a long ways from all Democrats.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 09:08:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

He expects Hillary to get her supporters to him (none / 0)

Look - McCain will lose, because it doesn't even appear he's campaigning. Just as many Republicans will not vote McCain as Democrats not voting Obama.

"I want her campaigning as much as she can," Obama told reporters Wednesday. "She was a terrific campaigner. She, I think, inspired millions of people, and so she can be an extraordinarily effective surrogate for me and the values and ideals we share as Democrats."


by catfish2 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 08:16:40 PM EST

Oh look who it is guys. (none / 0)

Hi engels.

53% of Clinton supporters currently supporting Obama is not the same as proof that only 53% will support him. And that 10% number for McCain is only if he holds his base, which he isn't doing.


M. It's like W, but flipflopped.
by warmwaterpenguin on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 08:19:06 PM EST

Uh Boy (2.00 / 1)


   Here we go again. I reiterate my point that PUMA is full of pathetic, shit for brains morons. The party does not revolve around them, and their power to do anything other than whine and bitch is limited at best.

  I don't care if some Hillary supporters, those who believe Obama is a terrorist for example, vote for him or not. I could care less. I've blown more intelligent life into a napkin every time I sneeze.

  Nothing to see here. Move on.


by southernman on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 08:38:00 PM EST

Re: only 53% of Hillary supporters will vote for (none / 0)

LOL 10 recs and its on the list.


by Skaje on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 08:46:13 PM EST

Re: only 53% of Hillary supporters will vote for (none / 0)

39% of McCain supporters said they would not vote for Bush in OCTOBER 2000.

So... anyway. 1/2 of 1/2 of Dem primary voters currently say they will not vote for the presumptive nominee. That is 1/4 of the primary voters. If you extrapolate out that and assume 1/2 of the total Dem votes to be cast are reflected in the primary (based on 2004 data) then that means 1/8 of likely total Dem voters will not vote for the nominee, or 12.5%. That is perfectly consistent with any other election year (even a little better).

So, yeah this is pretty much a non story, thanks for trying to keep the primary bitterness alive. Now, fuck off already.


by notedgeways on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 08:50:42 PM EST

Your math is fuzzy.... (none / 0)

I'll do the math for you...instead of "1/2 of 1/2", let's just say 25%.

There's no reason to reduce that again when extrapolating to the general election population. If 25% of the primary voters are disenchanted, then you can assume that will extend to the general.

And that's pretty much in sync with a recent Rasmussen poll, which shows Obama getting 79% of Democratic voters. For him, that's a problem.

You gotta know this guy has a problem when the most recent Gallup Tracking Poll has him tied with McCain at 45%-45%. Rasmussen has it 49-45%, Obama leading. I mean, come on folks:

--The economy is in a virtual meltdown
--GOP incumbent's approval ratings are lower than Nixon's
--GOP candidate is not exactly a dynamo

This thing should not even be close.


by BJJ Fighter on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 09:02:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

PUMA (2.00 / 1)

Please Untie My Ass


by notedgeways on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 08:54:19 PM EST

Can't be 44 anymore. (2.00 / 0)

When are you guys going to change it to "Hillaryis45" ?


by Bush Bites on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 08:54:40 PM EST

Question for the diarist (2.00 / 1)


   why are Clinton supporters the "core of the party."

  You really think idiots like the person who proclaimed she won't vote for an Arab is the core of the party?

  Or the dumb fool who said Obama might be a terrorist?

  I don't want dipshits in my party. They can go. So can you for that matter.


by southernman on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 09:03:30 PM EST

Re: Question for the diarist (none / 0)

answer from diarist: somebody in comments to this diary called it UMA. I like that.


Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 09:06:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Question for the diarist (none / 0)


    Others call it whining by bitchy crybabies. that's what most of us call it.
by southernman on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 09:08:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Question for the diarist (none / 0)

whining about what? and who is "US"? you are very confused...


Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 09:14:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Question for the diarist (none / 0)


   Decent progressives. That's the US. We celebrate when we win and we congratulate when we lose. We don't peddle ridiculous rumors, make whiny comments about shit we know nothing about (terrorist, Arab, etc...).

  That's the US. Certainly not PUMA. What a joke!!


by southernman on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 09:39:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Question for the diarist (none / 0)

"progressive" is a true misnomer the same way as "liberal" is a mislabel.


Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 10:00:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Question for the diarist (2.00 / 0)

Does UMA stand for UnMitigated Assholes? Or is it, Unusually Moronic Asswipes?


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 09:11:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I think it's hillarious how this Diary backfired (2.00 / 0)

The 53% is up from 40%, and they haven't even campaigned together yet.

More important, it also underscores the absurdity with some of these nut-jobs in their comments. "Who says he's not a terrorist."

Um.. yeah. That's someone who would have otherwise voted for him. Right?


Gobama!
by USArmyParatrooper on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 09:04:08 PM EST

Your concern is noted. (2.00 / 1)


by SocialDem on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 09:28:13 PM EST

Re: only 53% of Hillary supporters will vote for (2.00 / 1)

This is an outrage. How dare you PUMA's come over here to rec this garbage.  Go away.


by sweet potato pie on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 09:29:05 PM EST

To the "18 million" Hillary Suppo